Episode 55: Five Decades of a Tulsa Based Private Investigator with Gary Glanz
On this week's episode of the Investigation Game, Leah talks with Tulsa based investigator, Gary Glanz. The two explore the case that earned Glanz the title, "The Super Sleuth" by The Wall Street Journal, along with many more cases throughout his life.
For more than 50 years, Tulsa private investigator Gary Glanz has been solving major crimes, locating missing people, recovering tens of millions of dollars in cash and other valuable materials and securing priceless art collections—all with a flair, and a sense of professionalism and discretion that have earned him an international reputation.
Originally making a name for himself as one of the youngest detectives in the history of the Tulsa Police Department, where he received numerous awards and citations, Glanz left the police department in 1967 to establish his own private investigative firm. Gary Glanz continues to produce results to this day, often in situations where law enforcement authorities or other private investigators have failed. His ability to solve the tough cases brought him to the attention of the Wall Street Journal. A reporter from the newspaper accompanied him when Glanz solved a restaurant burglary, apprehended the three suspects and recovered the money from a Florida swamp where it had been buried. The front-page profile article sealed Glanz’s reputation as one of the nation’s top investigators.
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TRANSCRIPT:
Intro (00:01):
Welcome to the investigation game podcast brought to you by Workman forensics.
Leah Wietholter (00:08):
Welcome to The Investigation Game podcast. I'm Leah Wietholter, CEO of Workman forensics in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Joining me today is Gary Glanz originally working as a police officer in 1962. Gary made a name for himself as one of the youngest detectives in the history of the Tulsa police department, where he led the Tulsa vice squad receiving numerous awards and citations. In 1967, Gary left the Tulsa police department to establish his own private investigation firm. For over 50 years Gary glands and associates continues to produce results. Gary's ability to solve the tough cases brought him the attention of the Wall Street Journal. The front page profile articles sealed Gary's reputation as one of the nation's top investigators, when the Wall Street Journal named him the "Super Sleuth." Thank you for joining me today, Gary.
Gary Glanz (00:53):
Glad to be here.
Leah Wietholter (00:54):
Yeah. So happy to have you. I wanted to first kind of talk about how we met. We had both been practicing in Tulsa for quite a while. I mean, you had definitely been practicing in Tulsa for awhile. I was new-ish. Maybe had my business about five or six years when we got, or you got a call about an oil and gas company who, where they'd had an embezzlement.
Gary Glanz (01:16):
That's correct. That was in February of 2015.
Leah Wietholter (01:22):
So you, you started, I think you brought me in so that I could start looking at the data. And then once we kind of had a little sample of the data so that we could see what was going on, then you interviewed the subject.
Gary Glanz (01:37):
That's correct. What happened? As I remember, you know, we were called because of the embezzlement and I met with the attorneys and principals of the company and we set out a little game plan and actually there was a paper trail on all of this embezzlement and it turned out being in a little over $2 million to $3 million that this guy had embezzled. I got a confession at about 20 minutes into the interview. So I made it pretty easy. But what I found out during the the investigation was that this guy was taking all the money and buying all kinds of men's toys. And he, he had bought 16 to 18 race cars that he had never even driven. One of them was Sloan and loaning, these race cars to his friends, to race he was buying military grade weapons, caterpillar, all type of four wheel drive vehicles.
Leah Wietholter (02:40):
I remember he had never shot any of those expensive guns he bought?
Gary Glanz (02:44):
No. Well, and in fact, he had a 50 caliber sniper rifle that was worth around $10,000.
Leah Wietholter (02:52):
Is that the one that was from France? I remember...
Gary Glanz (02:58):
He had to have had to have permission from the minister of defense to get into the country. And I never got to fire it. I saw that I was a little bit disappointed in myself, but once we started recovering toys, I mean, we were recovering race cars in Missouri and Kansas in Arkansas and all over Tulsa. And all he did was buy him and let his friends race them. So we made a substantial recovery. Thanks for your efforts. And the thing it was, we had recovered so many items. We didn't even know the value of one caterpillar. We recovered out of the, one of the Barnes and up in Oologah, he had five different barns on the property, all loaded down with men's toys. And, you know, I told the attorneys, this is out of my league. Let's get Leah in here, figuring out what this is all worth. And so it worked out real well.
Leah Wietholter (03:54):
I put together the, this was when I was just working by myself. Actually, I didn't even have a team at this point. And so I put together a sample and I remember you got the confession and you got him to agree that he would meet with me so that I could start asking him about all of these transactions. And, you know, was this for the benefit of his employer or was this a benefit, you know, something that he purchased. So then, and then you guys started working on collecting all of that and then the client was able to sell all of that stuff that you recovered, um for about a third of what they lost.
Gary Glanz (04:27):
I actually had an auction, but what our goal was that company didn't have a fidelity bond on the employ, it was just all cash. And so we were, you know, attempting to recover as many assets as we did. And it became a point where we were around, had to have so many assets. We had an auction. And you remember the results of that
Leah Wietholter (04:52):
Yeah it was about $900,000, I think, after the fees.
Leah Wietholter (04:58):
It's an interesting case. And that's actually, you know, our very first game that we made at Workman forensics one of our investigation games, it's called The Case of The Man Cave because that anyway, so that's where that story came from is Gary and I worked that one together. So that's a lot of fun. But today I want to talk about some of your highest profile cases from your career. And I, a couple of these you've told me in the past, just whenever we've met, but then there's one that I want to end with that I, I don't think I've ever heard the entire story. So let's first start off with the on your website, you call it the Casa Benita Caper. So I want to talk about that one first.
Gary Glanz (05:36):
Okay. Caper Casa Benita was a real interesting case because it was back in June of 1973. And the Wall Street Journal had called me and they were wanting to do a feature story on us and come into Tulsa. So we set up an appointment and the reporter showed up from New York and he was in my office. We just met and started talking the phone rang. And it was a Mexican restaurant here in town called the Casa Benita. And they said, Gary, we got robbed last night. And they hit the safes. And I said, well, you all need the police out and they said, Gary, the police are here and I said, well I'm in a meeting. And they said, well just bring him with you. So here he goes, this reporter with me, sees me go in there, talk to the clients figured out real quick, who did it. The reporter followed me through the whole case. We ended up a manager, was our prime suspect. The manager hired a team of guys out of Florida to come in and rob the place in the middle of the night. And so they did, they took the money back to Florida and buried it in a swamp in Florida. And the Wall Street Journal followed me through 10 days of this case and saw us make a complete recovery.
Leah Wietholter (07:08):
So did you fly to Florida and get the money?
Gary Glanz (07:13):
Well, we had to, he, he had buried it and he was the only one that knew where it was buried. He was a manager. He pled guilty, sent him to the penitentiary. He got out like three years later, came back and robbed Casa Benita, and shot an off duty Tulsa police officer on the parking lot named Pete Annex. And the police officers were picking up money for the Taco Buenos and things around and walked up and point blank shot him right there in the parking lot in his car. I got called back into the case. We caught him again, four days later, sent him back to the penitentiary this time for 80 years. And I haven't checked to see if he's still in jail or not.
Leah Wietholter (08:03):
Why did you think it was the manager?
Gary Glanz (08:05):
It was an interesting case what they did. I walked in on the scene of the crime and there was two floor safes. They had drilled out one safe. I said, who's got the combination of this other safe. And they said, ah, well, our manager has said, he's on vacation in Florida. And I said, well, he's your burglar? He's our burner. I said, yeah, let me show you what they did. He had the combination to one of the safes is all he had to combination to. They claim the safe out and he stole the head of the safe, no burglar steals ahead of a safe. He stole the head of the safe. And then he went over to a duplicate, safe, drilled into it, took the shavings from that safe and put them in the bottom of the first site. So it might've looked like he had drilled it and punched it. But what, he didn't know, you couldn't punch it that way. We got a complete confession on that and a substantial recovery.
Leah Wietholter (09:02):
So did, once you, like, did you have to, was the manager actually on vacation in Florida?
Gary Glanz (09:09):
He established an alibi and sent a team of three man and gave him written instructions to drive to Keystone light, come in at 2:30 in the morning, hit the safe, take the lead. He staged this whole thing.
Leah Wietholter (09:24):
So when you found him in Florida, did you talk to him and interview him?
Gary Glanz (09:27):
Oh, when I found him in Florida, the district attorney, let me arrest him
Leah Wietholter (09:32):
This was in the seventies, huh?
Gary Glanz (09:34):
This was in the seventies, so the laws have changed quite a bit. That was Buddy Fallis at the time.
Leah Wietholter (09:39):
If we have new PIs listening to this, do not arrest your subjects.
Gary Glanz (09:46):
We got a full confession from him and recorded it and it made for arrest out of the deal. The one thing that really struck me was how vindictive he wants to come back and shoot, shoot an off duty Tulsa police officer, you know? Yeah. And fortunately he lived and I was with him. I worked on the police department with him when I was a police officer.
Leah Wietholter (10:08):
So, so then what did wall street journal think about this?
Gary Glanz (10:19):
Well, what was amazing is the Wall Street Journal, the company made, and I'd never even read the Wall Street Journal, and I had solved the number of multi-million dollar cases during that period of time and they want to do this profile. So they came in and then they accompanied me. And it was kind of interesting as I was bringing these three prisoners back from Florida, when we got to Dallas, the pilot came on board and said, he'd have to take me off the plane. He said, we're only allowed one escort per prisoner and you've got three of them. So they deplaned me in Dallas. I had to rent a car...
Leah Wietholter (10:51):
And drive them up?
Gary Glanz (10:53):
Put them in the back seat. And bought them a bucket of fried chicken to go to back to Tulsa.
Leah Wietholter (10:57):
Oh my goodness. That's hilarious. Okay. So, so then the wall street journal though, they ended up calling you the Super Sleuth after this, right? They did this whole write-up on you.
Gary Glanz (11:11):
It was sorta strange. They're the ones that came up with the title of the Super Sleuth and I'd worked another multimillion dollar case up in Osage county where rancher was shot and killed. And he was insured for $15 million and he had never paid a penny on his insurance premium. His insurance agent loaned him 110% of the first year's premium just by signing his name. The guy that was shot and killed the owner of the ranch was shot and killed. And he died a year and two weeks into the insurance policy, but there was a 30 day grace period on the policy on the end of the policy, the widow. And I didn't even think the policy was any good. We confirmed that it was, we flew to Florida. We reinstated the policy for the two weeks that he was alive, filed a lawsuit. They accepted our money. We filed a lawsuit for $15 million. We settled it out of court in less than a year for $14 million. And at that time it was in the Guinness book of world records. That was the largest amount of money ever paid in the history of US insurance on an individual death that kind of sealed our reputation by being able to, you know, make a recoveries like this. And we've had that success through our whole career.
Leah Wietholter (12:41):
That's how the Wall Street Journal learned about you, was from that, that murder up in Osage. So on that case, because that was one that I want to talk about today. So the insurance agent had loaned him 110%. So did that loan have to be repaid?
Gary Glanz (12:57):
I don't know because they settled it out of court and it was, there was a silent agreement, but the Guinness book of world records that was in 1982. And it was like, say the world record at that time for an individual death.
Leah Wietholter (13:17):
Since he was murdered, did you learn anything more about the murder?
Gary Glanz (13:20):
Yes. It took on a life of its own. There's three different books that have been written about it called the Mollendor Murder. And it was kind of famous and he was actually shot and killed by his bodyguard. And what happened the night of the shooting of the first law enforcement agency that arrived, totally destroyed the crime scene. The murder took place in Osage county, Washington county, beat him to the crime scene, removed the body, took it to the hospital, had it all scrubbed up, totally destroyed, destroyed the crime scene. In fact, I had to do the original crime scene for the law enforcement. They didn't even have a original crime scene sketch. So it was messed up. I referred the bodyguard to a lawyer. I said, Chubb, you killed him. And let me tell you why. And I laid it all out to him and I said, you need a lawyer.
Gary Glanz (14:24):
And when you get a lawyer, they're going to tell you not to talk to me and sure enough, that's exactly what happened. The bodyguard was never charged with the murder. He became a fugitive ended up moving up to Kansas and went to the penitentiary. He told me at the time he said, Gary, you really been good to me. And if I ever think I'm going to die, I'm going to tell you exactly what happened. I made up all the reports for law enforcement. 40 years later, he calls me and says, Gary, I'm dying. You need to come and save me. And he gave me a complete confession on the whole murder, which nobody has ever heard to this day.
Leah Wietholter (15:04):
So you were right, it was the body guard. Why did you think it was him?
Gary Glanz (15:08):
Well, he staged the crime scene and what happened is there was another guy at the ranch that night and nobody knew he was there and that they had a brutal fight.
Leah Wietholter (15:17):
Who did?
Gary Glanz (15:17):
The rancher and the bodyguard among themselves. I asked him, I said he staged the crime scene. And after he shot him right between the eyes and killed him, shot him went outside and got this other man who nobody knew was on the ranch brought the man in, the bodyguard stood up and the guy got behind him and shot him through the back. And I was asking Chubb, I said, Chubb, how does it feel to know you're going to take a bullet? And he said, buddy, it'll make you pucker up.
Gary Glanz (15:51):
I befriended him. We got along great, he's passed away. Now there's all of these stories or in our website, which is just the name, garyglands.com. And in fact, we've got quite a few of the famous cases in there. And that's what I find so challenging about this business. And I always have is it's something different every day.
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Leah Wietholter (17:57):
Welcome back to my interview with Gary glance. One question, why did Mullendore have a bodyguard?
Gary Glanz (18:06):
He owned the largest ranch in Osage county, which was about 55,000 acres. And it may have been more than 55,000. You drove five miles when you entered the property just to get to the ranch house. He was heavily in debt. He had borrowed money from some mafia, underworld characters. He had borrowed money from a lot of people. He had mismanaged the ranch and was seeking money from quite a few different sources. His body guard, wasn't actually a body guard, but a long time friend of his, that professed to be the body guard, probably one of the toughest guys I've ever met in my life. And I asked you at that time, I said, what prompted the fight? And he said they had been drinking and they got into it. After the fight started, Chub said, I couldn't knock him out. He was laying there on the floor and he said, I knew I was going to be looking over my shoulder, the rest of my life, if I didn't bring a conclusion to it. So he shot him right there before nobody knew this second guy was there. He was out in the kids' Playhouse behind the, the ranch house. After the shooting, Chub went out and got him and brought him inside and they staged at the crime scene, but they really did a bad job of staging the crime scene. Well, they claimed that there was two mafia man dressed in suits that shot him when they came into the ranch house and kill Mullendore and that they ran off on foot yet they're in a 55,000 acre ranch in suits and they hadn't met any place they claimed during the process. These two men ran out through the sliding glass door, but you could see where Chubb was dripping blood and stopping placed all the shots.
Gary Glanz (19:55):
And none of the shots went out through the open door. They all went out through the glass and it was a clumsy set up. But the, the district attorney's office had all the charges, had everything prepared. They had a change of administrations. There were a lot of reasons surrounding it. Most important thing to me was, save the ranch. He was dead. We needed to collect on that insurance policy. And by going through the process and filing the lawsuit, we were able to save the ranch, which was for the family. It had been been in the family since the, the Oklahoma land run.
Leah Wietholter (20:37):
I was going to ask with a ranch like that and especially in Osage county and we have people that listen to this from all over the world, actually. So Osage county in Oklahoma is kind of known for their oil reserves. There's a lot of oil and stuff up there. Yeah. So did he have a bunch of oil on his property? I mean, on 55,000 acres, I would think there's a lot of oil.
Gary Glanz (20:59):
Well, it had oil and cattle, both. And then also Osage county is the largest county in the state of Oklahoma. And it may be the size of Rhode Island or Chloe. And that's, that's how large the county is. Yeah. And law enforcement, there was, I don't know that law enforcement ever even worked a homicide before that night of that shooting.
Leah Wietholter (21:22):
I mean, this would predate your case obviously, but the new book that's out called Killers of The Flower Moon, that's real popular that took place in Osage county, but that would predate your case. But just if somebody has heard of Osage county, it might be from that new book.
Gary Glanz (21:36):
It has stimulated a lot of interest in the Mullendore case, you know, and we've there's, there's at least three books. And now in all three of the books, and it's an interesting read, the Wall Street Journal did the first story on the Mullendore murder and it hit the front page of the Wall Street Journal. And they wrote the article and that was the first article. And it dealt a lot with the finances and the accumulation of wealth and other articles have been written, then concentrated more on the murder. I've got the most complete file of anyone, and I've never shared it with anyone other than law enforcement and the district attorney's office in Osage county. So that's a interesting story.
Leah Wietholter (22:22):
One other question on this is that if, if this all started from, you know, Mullendore and the bodyguard, Chubb, being in his fight was it kind of like, does it feels a little premeditated to me if Chubb knew this other guy was hiding out in the kid's play house?
Gary Glanz (22:38):
What had happened? He had gotten fired earlier that day off the ranch, Chub's relative got fired that day. And he was waiting on a ride home from Chubb. And what happened after, and this guy was only 19 years old at the time, Chuck goes out, brings him into the crime scene, the bodies laying on the floor, Chubb just shot this guy, right between the eyes you're going to do whatever Chuck tells you to do. Chubb said, Gary, I knew I had to take a bullet for anybody to believe the story. And we still didn't believe the story.
Leah Wietholter (23:17):
Kind of messed up the rest of it. Yes. It's really fascinating.
Leah Wietholter (23:20):
All right, let's talk about another one involving a kidnapping case. And this one was in Tulsa, right? And related to oil and gas because oil and gas country over here. Tell us a little bit about this one.
Gary Glanz (23:33):
It was an interesting case. The the kidnapper was a businessman here in town and he was in debt and needed some money. And he identified this one, very wealthy individual here in Tulsa. Went to his house, wearing a hard hat and a red flag. When the victim drove out of his house and started down the street, he flagged him down. The victim, rolled the window down. He pulled a gun on him, slid him over in the seat, drove him to Utica square into the basement, pulled up next to his car, took him out and kept him all day in the car.
Leah Wietholter (24:10):
And this is a very high powered CEO?
Gary Glanz (24:13):
Very high powered. Yeah. You would recognize the name.
Leah Wietholter (24:15):
Like, people are going to notice he's gone.
Gary Glanz (24:18):
Yeah. Well, what happened, he went to the bank. This guy also owned a bank and he said, I have him. And he meant to say $70,000. And he was nervous and he was scared. And he said, I want $700,000. And he said, I wanted in twenties, fifties, and hundreds. And they said, we don't have that much money in the bank. It's going to take us all day to get it. And he said, you get it.
Leah Wietholter (24:47):
And what year was this?
Gary Glanz (24:49):
That was in 1974.
Leah Wietholter (24:51):
Okay. So $700,000...
Gary Glanz (24:54):
A lot of money back then it was equivalent to, I remember the statistics, but several million dollars at the time. But what happened. I got retained. They called the kidnapper. I got retained because the kidnapper said he was innocent. And then a guy held a gun on him and made him do the kidnap. And so the lawyers retained me to check this guy's story out. I came back to the lawyers that represent him. I said, he's guilty. And I said, let me tell you what the problem is. That money is still out there floating around. They had this guy isolated in jail and they wasn't going to be allowed to make bond. So I went down and over a period of three days, he wouldn't really fess up at first after three days, I said, let me tell you what your problem is. He said, what's the problem I said, that is still missing. And your kids are out there running around. The best thing we can do is pick that money up and you work out the best deal you can. He said, let's do it. And he told me where the money was. I went out with a team of people and located them. And I had him draw me a map and we recovered four duffle bags full of cash. And there were $693,500 in cash. This guy was overdrawn at the bank and he had deposited $5,000 in there. So he wouldn't bounce a check.
Gary Glanz (26:17):
Yes. So that was an interesting story the fact that that time, that was the largest kidnap recovery west of the Mississippi river. I don't know to this. I'm sure it's not now...
Leah Wietholter (26:28):
I have a couple of deep, detailed kind of questions for like, you know, our true crime listeners here. So how did the police find the, find the CEO and his kidnapper? How did they, how did that resolve?
Gary Glanz (26:43):
Of amazing, they did an excellent job. What happened. They had him in the car and they had dispatched. They had dispatched over a hundred FBI agents from a four state area and brought them in. And what they were doing was staked out the city of Tulsa and writing down tag numbers of cars going through intersections is what they were doing. When the victim got released, he said I was in a blue Cadillac and they went back and identified the car real quick and had him arrested in jail by the next day. But missed the money. We were able to negotiate a settlement with the attorneys, which he was looking at a life sentence in the pen and recovered all the money and by the family a lot more comfortable. And everybody was tickled to death. It was kind of strange years later, I ran into the victim at Queenie's restaurant in Utica square.
Gary Glanz (27:46):
And I'd never met him or talked to him. No one would let me talk to him when this was all done hall, this was all going off. And I'd sit even Queenie's quite a few times. And he came walking out the door and I said, Mr. So-And-So and he said, yeah, I said, I'm Gary Glanz, I'm the one that recovered your buddy. And he said, yeah, Gary said, nobody would ever let us talk. And I said I've got to complete file. I said, would you like to read it? Would it be upsetting? He said, I would love it. And I said, well, I'll see that you get a copy on it. So I had a copy of the file made up for him, delivered it to his penthouse. And about three days later, I got a thank you note from him saying, dear Gary said, thank you for sharing the longest day of my life. My grandchildren will enjoy reading this someday. And, and that's how he did. I know exactly what happened
Leah Wietholter (28:37):
You and I have talked about this case before, and you've told me there's kind of an interesting little side story to what happened to the money because the guy had put the money in the trunk and...
Gary Glanz (28:50):
Oh, well what happened? He was using his own car. The kidnapper was licensed. Checked to him and everything. And he had the victim in the car with him all day long, calling the banks and giving them orders to where to drop the money. And he went through all that whole process. They'd let the victim out in the flight path of Jones, Riverside airport, and they let him out. And of course he called and, and got some help. They picked him up. They identified the car that he was in all day long. And when the kidnapper went home, he brought his car and threw the keys on the credenza. And all these federal agents are looking for him. His son comes in, picks up car keys, goes out and gets in the car. Starts it up and drives down to the restless ribbon at penitence to buy hamburgers, hundreds of agents looking for this car over town. They were interviewing this son later. And said what happened when your dad got home with that car? And he said, well, I got the keys. And he said, I went down to Brookside and bought a hamburger. They said, did you ever open the trunk of that car? And he said, no, but I wish I had.
Gary Glanz (30:17):
Anyway, I did a bulk count. And literally it took all night long to count twenties, fifties and hundreds.
Leah Wietholter (30:24):
Oh yeah. Gosh, because he thought he was getting $70,000, not $700,000. And then where did he tell you the money was when he drew the map? Where'd you end up finding it?
Gary Glanz (30:33):
It gets a little bit sticky there. Law enforcement missed the money on a search. And I came along behind law enforcement. Found the money. And it was and there's a long story behind that. But at that time there was an awful lot of publicity because of who it was and what happened and how the money was recovered. And it's still pretty sensitive as some of these law enforcement,
Leah Wietholter (31:09):
But was it, was it hidden in his house somewhere?
Gary Glanz (31:15):
Basically missed it on a search.
Leah Wietholter (31:16):
Yeah. Just in those bags, sitting there.
New Speaker (31:19):
Yes. Yes. In fact, I didn't believe it when he wrote the map until I saw it. And three of the four bags hadn't even been opened. One of the bags had been open and a handful was taken to put in the night depository nobody to this day. I even remember that story.
Leah Wietholter (31:36):
That's interesting. So then how long did he end up getting put in prison for, since the money was recovered? Do you remember?
Gary Glanz (31:45):
I think about I think the original sentence was 15 years. Okay. That's what it was originally. And then I think it was lowered after that, after I made a complete recovery, nobody was hurt nobody. So it was like 15 years as best. I remember that.
Leah Wietholter (32:01):
So interesting. So thank you so much for taking this time to talk with me today and share just three stories. You've got a lot more on your website. Like you said, garyglanz.com. Right. And we've got, we'll make sure we put a link on this episode. Yeah. Is that probably the best way to learn more about you and your work?
Gary Glanz (32:20):
Yeah, they're on our website. We have a video and it covers 50 years in 50 seconds. So it doesn't waste a lot of people's time, but I can go on the website and actually read a lot of our famous cases going back, you know, since 1967.
Leah Wietholter (32:41):
Yeah. That's awesome. And you have kind of a page of some of the case stories and you've got pictures of some of your evidence. A lot of famous cases are on there. Yeah.
Gary Glanz (32:49):
And especially if it happened in Oklahoma, but people find it interesting. And with this COVID we took the last year to decide, to put a website together. Thanks with Nick here. We've got it all done. So it's, it's new and out people find it. Interesting. Well, I appreciate you giving us the time and opportunity to work case.
Leah Wietholter (33:15):
Yeah. Well, and I've been wanting to record these stories for a long time, so I'm glad we could do this and share it with other people. And I got to tell ya, I think it's easier to steal money these days, take it away from these stories.
Gary Glanz (33:28):
Things have changed so much with technology. It's actually so much easier now with solving these things with computers and forensics. And you've got to remember when I started out in the business, there was only one phone company in town. And if you wanted information, that was, in fact when the Wall Street Journal wrote that article about it talked about tapping phones and bugging rooms and laws were much different back in the sixties and they are now, but we recently solved a case in four hours that we recovered on a smash and grab in Dallas, Texas, the thieves posted, holding the money that they stoled in their hands. And they were at a strip joint on social media and they read a strip joint in Dallas on their way back to Houston. And we saw that within four hours by identifying them through social media and the forensics on their phones. And now that's where all the information is and technology has changed so much. So I love the technology enforced and I've surrounded myself with people that are really into computers. So it helps. It helps a lot.
Leah Wietholter (34:43):
Yeah. Well this has been great, Gary, thank you so much. And I'm sure our listeners are gonna really enjoy this episode.
Gary Glanz (34:50):
Call me back we've got lots of stories. Thanks for having me.